Exactly. What's more, the term 'street art' didn't exist back then, it was invented by auction houses to legitimise the work of graffiti artists for art lovers. For them, graffiti represented thugs and the ghetto, whereas the term 'street-art' was gentler and easier to market. But in fact, at the time, it was a phenomenon, a spaceship, which even earned us a dedicated programme on France 2 where we really felt misunderstood in our work.
Going back to my early days, the inspiration was purely vandalic. When you met the other pioneers of hip-hop culture in La Chapelle or Stalingrad, they told you to stay very underground. To be recognised and respected, you had to be visible and above all on the street. There were no commissions at the time, the aim was to meet the big boys, the older members of the movement. That's how I met Joey and his gang, who formed NTM, a collective that, in its early days, was based on graffiti. The French rap movement came much later. At that time, I was tagging everywhere I went and I got my first black book to do my first sketches. I went on to learn almost everything from Mode 2, the pioneer of Parisian graffiti. He was a kind of mentor for my artistic education, always very unifying and inspiring.